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The General Lee was a 1969 Dodge Charger.

The number of 1969 Dodge Chargers in the world reduced by approximately one per episode as the jumping they did basically destroyed the cars. Today they would probably use a lot of CGI clips.

Strange that this is where this thread went. We are such geeks.

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Google said...

How many cars did the Dukes of Hazzard go through?
Somewhere between 256 and 321 "General Lee" cars were created and mostly destroyed during the series. Less than 20 in various states of disrepair still exist. Despite popular belief, there were no 1970 Chargers used in the series according to all the car builders.

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Hm.

I think, in general, I'd say:

1. For a modern democratic society to exist, all must be able to have their say ,argue their case, and have folks consider it

2. For (1) to happen, certain things must not be permissible; the suppression of a people or ideology, simply because they are a minority, currently unfashionable, or despicable

3. Therefore, all ideologies, up to those that endorse the suppression of other political discourse or peoples should be tolerated - though there is no requirement ot embrace them

4. Those ideologies that endorse the suppression of discourse and/or peoples must be carefully monitored to ensure that the ability of society to support alternatives is not lost, should a small number of motivated and focused ideologues shift society to a ideo-cracy rather than a democracy, if democracy is to survive.

So , I guess... **** Nazis. But I have some sympathy for DEs positions, provided the state continues to protect alternate views, and ensures the Nazis dont actually get to errect burning crosses on African American lawns, prevent left wing views being espoused, or burn down synagogues. The minute that **** starts happening doors should be being broken down.

And vice versa for stalinist gulag recreations too, of course.

I guess I dont know enough about Charlottesville, but I would say, non state troops with semi auto weaponry, a kid driving a car into a crowd, and one of the major organisers of the day saying the murdered woman was a fat communist who deserved it all indicates to me that the bar for discourse vs suppression is being breached, and the state should swing into action.


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So , I guess... **** Nazis. But I have some sympathy for DEs positions, provided the state continues to protect alternate views, and ensures the Nazis dont actually get to errect burning crosses on African American lawns, prevent left wing views being espoused, or burn down synagogues. The minute that **** starts happening doors should be being broken down.


Like I said, it is the job of the government to **** Nazis when they break the law, if domestic, or invade France* if foreign.

Erecting a burning cross on someone's lawn is a crime, no matter who does it. So is engaging in violence against views you disagree with, and burning down synagogues - or for that matter, burning down almost anything.

When it is the Nazis doing this sort of thing, the government should **** them. When it is someone else doing it, the government should **** them too. So yes, the government should continue to protect everyone's right to express their terrible opinions. As a practical matter, however, neither the left nor minority groups are at any real risk anywhere in the west of not being protected any time in the foreseeable future; the events of the last years indicate that the left and minorities have received an undue amount of deference from the government, not too little. This is what encourages leftists to show up with clubs at Nazi rallies - they have been allowed to think that **** is their business rather than that of the government.

In the abstract, yes, we want to make sure that Nazis do not start gaining a political foothold that might allow them to engage in what they want to engage in, but again - the reality is that this is very unlikely to happen. There is an awful lot of daylight between "I think the Nazis ought to be alloed to protest" and "I would vote for a Nazi" - a huge amount of daylight. This is not Weimar Germany. Now, in the unlikely even that Nazis edo find themselves occupying the seats of power - by which I mean actual Nazis, not the boogeyman-under-the-bed Nazis that some people like to imagine they are already there because it's easier than using ones' brain - then we're into "In case of Axis, break glass" territory, but the reality is that we are not there and are not likely to get there.

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the events of the last years indicate that the left and minorities have received an undue amount of deference from the government, not too little. This is what encourages leftists to show up with clubs at Nazi rallies - they have been allowed to think that **** is their business rather than that of the government.

After the 8 years of intense rioting and civil unrest because of all the KKK and white supremacists objecting to a black president, I don't know how you can make that assertion.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-17/too-much-power-lies-in-tech-companies-hands
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The Daily Stormer is finally off the internet. Well, the public internet anyway.

Earlier this week, the hate-spewing white supremacist site lost its domain name registration when it was kicked off first GoDaddy and then Google for violating terms of its contracts. Activists had been trying for years to get the Stormer suspended. After the site’s vicious post attacking Heather Heyer, the protester who was killed in Charlottesville, Virginia, the domain registrars decided they’d had enough. The site relaunched on a Russian server, but swiftly vanished from that host too. Now the Stormer exists only with an anonymous .onion address on the Tor network. Good luck tracking it down.
1 Meanwhile, a Twitter campaign naming the companies that provide the Daily Stormer with various web services has deprived the site of web security, cloud computing and other technology. The fury of the techies, once aroused, is awesome to behold. Tech companies ranging from Airbnb to Reddit and Facebook have been purging other perceived supremacists from the ranks of their users.

The libertarian part of me ought to be fine with all of this. Apart from the most exceptional circumstances, such as invidious discrimination, a business should be free to contract with whom it pleases. And I will shed no tears for the Daily Stormer, which fully earned its expulsion from rational discourse. One might protest, correctly, that there is a lot of evil in the world, but history teaches that Nazis and white supremacists are a special case. When their views vanish, we will all be better off for it.

Yet I find myself troubled. For one thing, as tech columnist Will Oremus pointed out in Slate, the same companies currently being told that they should not serve all comers made essentially the opposite argument in their campaign during the previous administration to defeat the Stop Online Piracy Act. Having now decided that they can indeed pick and choose customers, the tech companies will be ill-placed to reverse field should Congress once more try to crack down on them for hosting sites that make unlicensed use of intellectual property.

It’s worrisome, moreover, that so many activists are cheering the demise of the Daily Stormer not on the narrow ground that white supremacy is a special case but on the more general ground that groups promoting “hatred” should have no place on the web. Given the contemporary left’s broad and wondrously flexible definition of the word “hate,” the implications of that particular slogan (calling it an argument would be too charitable) are unsettling. The triumphal tumult on social media naturally leads one to wonder which groups that progressives deem wrong on the issues might be the subject of the next banning campaign.

This leads to my largest concern. Libertarians tend to worry about concentrations of power in the hands of the state. There is no consensus about the danger of concentrations of power in private hands. But when the private hands in question control access to the principal media of communication in the world, one has to hesitate when they decide that not everyone should be granted entree. For the power they are exercising is almost state-like.

My concern is not with the neo-Nazis, who fully deserve both their opprobrium and their sudden internet obscurity. And there’s nothing new in using the refusal to deal as a tool for enforcing social conformity. I’m old enough to remember signs in store windows barring boys whose hair was too long and women whose skirts were too short. The problem is that unlike the social nonconformists of my youth, it’s not as though those who are booted off the web can go shop across the street. When the gatekeepers of the internet turn on you, you’re effectively done. That’s an awful lot of power to place in a small number of hands. Those who run tech companies are very smart, and the ones I know are all wonderful people. But by anointing them judges of who should be allowed to use the web, we place enormous trust in their moral perspicacity. It’s no knock on the techies to ask whether anyone should wield that authority.

Matthew Prince, chief executive of Cloudflare, seemed to recognize the problem in an internal memorandum obtained by Gizmodo: “I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. It was a decision I could make because I'm the CEO of a major Internet infrastructure company.” He added that he was uneasy with his decision, and that the internet was better off if such companies as his remained “content neutral.” After all, to borrow from Salvor Hardin (whose many epigrams all geeks should know), “An atom-blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways.”

I hope the tumult will die down, and that the bannings stop with the Daily Stormer and its kin, who regularly serve up hatred and vitriol in support of vicious ideologies that cost many millions of lives. I hope, in other words, that we will be able to draw reasonable lines. But where the exercise of the power to shut people up is concerned, that’s rarely a safe bet.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
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People are working hard to find the new address. One hopes it’s just the Streisand effect.

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the events of the last years indicate that the left and minorities have received an undue amount of deference from the government, not too little. This is what encourages leftists to show up with clubs at Nazi rallies - they have been allowed to think that **** is their business rather than that of the government.

After the 8 years of intense rioting and civil unrest because of all the KKK and white supremacists objecting to a black president, I don't know how you can make that assertion.


We've really had about 3 years of occasional rioting (Ferguson was basically the start of it all) that's had almost nothing to do with KKK or white supremacist objections to Obama, and the repeated failure of the government to put a stop to these riots has encouraged people to think that it's ok to show up with a black mask on your face to get into fights with other people whose ideas you find disagreeable.

The KKK and white supremacists got little attention during Obama's tenure; what we got instead was that any and all opposition to Obama was characterized by prominent portions of the left as "because he's black."

Now that Trump is in office, all of a sudden these people are getting attention they don't deserve, because the media is desperate to tie Trump to white supremacy and the Left is desperate to maintain its monopoly on race as an issue.

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Yeah, there's a ton of difference between these groups. One obviously wants to intimidate, the other wants to sow love and acceptance.

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What's wrong with the Left that a jack-booted authoritarian like DE is the sound voice of reason?

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https://twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/statu ... 7621246976

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BLM member tells Antifa to take their masks off and get out of his city. They punch him and accuse him of being a cop. What a shitshow

Video at the link.

So what I take away from this is that BLM are Nazis and Antifa is racist. I don't know who I'm supposed to hate here.

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I don't know who I'm supposed to hate here.

The other side, duh!

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https://twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/status/899373007621246976

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BLM member tells Antifa to take their masks off and get out of his city. They punch him and accuse him of being a cop. What a shitshow

Video at the link.

So what I take away from this is that BLM are Nazis and Antifa is racist. I don't know who I'm supposed to hate here.


Sometimes the only thing for civilized people to do is point and laugh at all involved. That's a good rule of thumb for any protest in a western country, but especially true in this case.

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Sometimes Professional Wrestling is less cheezy than these guys.

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What's wrong with the Left that a jack-booted authoritarian like DE is the sound voice of reason?



Right?

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