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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:14 am 
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Mr. Damore said he considered himself a “classical liberal,” an ideology associated with advocacy of free market economics and libertarianism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/tech ... -memo.html

He doesn't sound like Google material. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. Could be "stick a fork in it" for personal freedoms for this guy. "do no harm"...

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Taskiss wrote:
Mr. Damore said he considered himself a “classical liberal,” an ideology associated with advocacy of free market economics and libertarianism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/tech ... -memo.html

He doesn't sound like Google material. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. Could be "stick a fork in it" for personal freedoms for this guy. "do no harm"...


Well, it's pretty clear that the source of the gender pay gap isn't misogyny at the organization level. Men do make more, but on average they're more valuable workers, so they should get paid more. The real question is, are the cultural attitudes that lead to the situation where men are more valuable workers misogynistic? I mean, it's clear that men have no inherent biological advantage over women in non-physical fields like engineering and computer science, it's simply a situation where women are being taught that they either can't or don't need to develop work skills on par with those that men have. (Or alternately, men are told they must outperform women just because they are men.)

The fact is, even in 2017 30% of households are still single-income and the man is the breadwinner in something like 99% of those. House husbands get no respect from society at all and relationships where the woman is the sole earner are notoriously unstable and don't tend to last very long.


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Taskiss wrote:
Mr. Damore said he considered himself a “classical liberal,” an ideology associated with advocacy of free market economics and libertarianism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/tech ... -memo.html

He doesn't sound like Google material. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. Could be "stick a fork in it" for personal freedoms for this guy. "do no harm"...

Well, first, the motto is "Don't be evil". Secondly, he's exactly Google material, if you take a look at his credentials. What has happened to him is that he trusted too much in the environment of open discourse that exists at Google, which has its roots in technical discussions in which being correct is the winning move, and ran afoul of a certain segment of the population for whom being sensitive is the winning move. Unfortunately, at this point in time, the second set of people have a disproportionate impact on the state of things.

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Well, first, the motto is "Don't be evil".


The self-congratulatory nature of this motto ought to be a warning sign to anyone who wants to work there.

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It's actually an artifact of a different time, but sure, we can ascribe motives.

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shuyung wrote:
It's actually an artifact of a different time, but sure, we can ascribe motives.


That actually exacerbates the problem. Assuming Google had some reasonable interpretation of what "Evil" was in the first place and had a corporate goal to avoid that, over time it is all too easy for "We will not do evil as a corporation" to turn into "What we do as a corporation must not be evil, because, as a corporation we do not do evil." This sort of decay of ideals is common to large organizations.

As for their motives, I don't care a lot about the motives of Google's policy makers so much as I doubt very much any definitions of evil they have are terribly inconvenient for them. Being "good" is very easy when "good" encompasses everything you want to do and "evil" contains anything you don't happen to like. One should consider some introspection if one finds oneself in such a position.

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I really hope Damore sues the **** out of a number of major media companies for so egregiously defaming him by repeatedly referring to his memo as an "anti-diversity screed", "anti-diversity manifesto", and/or "sexist rant". Google is almost certainly in the clear for firing him, but the media headlines were, in my opinion, pretty clearly defamatory.


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Google is not "almost certainly in the clear".

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