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And dairy. Although with dairy source matters (cow vs goat, etc) as well as your ancestry.

The one thing that is easily agreed on is more good fats, lots of vegetables and good lean meat.

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This diet would mean no toast, no pizza, no peanuts (crazy), no cereal, and no hamburgers.

This precludes it from being a diet Elm would stick to.

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I'm not following Paleo, or any specific diet plan, but what I'm doing is similar, in the sense that I'm eating zero processed sugars, nearly zero grains of any kind (wheat, rice, etc..), lots of proteins from meat and vegetables in reasonable portions (enough to feel full but not gorged). For snacks, I look for things like pumpkin seeds, various types of nuts (inlcuding peanuts) and the occasional cup of coffee or tea (with non-fat milk or non-dairy creamer depending on availability).

Not having read up on "Paleo" specifically, I'm not sure why they would exclude legumes (and peanuts). It seems like the type of thing that would have been available to cavemen... no?


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Midgen wrote:
Not having read up on "Paleo" specifically, I'm not sure why they would exclude legumes (and peanuts). It seems like the type of thing that would have been available to cavemen... no?


Grains would have been available as well, though in smaller amounts just like legumes. I don't understand the train of thought that excludes them entirely because "cavemen" couldn't have them. Yes, they could. Just because they didn't make bread doesn't mean they didn't ever eat grains.


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Matt Lalonde has, imo, the best balanced reasoning behind the paleo diet, and it really isn't about "cavemen didn't eat it", but rather in what proportion they ate grains relative to other food sources.

I don't find the arguments against legumes particularly convincing, so I include them quite regularly in my diet. Black Lentil's are high protein, low carb, and quite tasty.

Generally, what I see in nutritional journals and research is looking at carbohydrate "regimes"- under 50g/day is restrictive, for weight loss, under 150g/day is a more common "maintenance" diet.

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Midgen wrote:
I'm not following Paleo, or any specific diet plan, but what I'm doing is similar, in the sense that I'm eating zero processed sugars, nearly zero grains of any kind (wheat, rice, etc..), lots of proteins from meat and vegetables in reasonable portions (enough to feel full but not gorged). For snacks, I look for things like pumpkin seeds, various types of nuts (inlcuding peanuts) and the occasional cup of coffee or tea (with non-fat milk or non-dairy creamer depending on availability).

Not having read up on "Paleo" specifically, I'm not sure why they would exclude legumes (and peanuts). It seems like the type of thing that would have been available to cavemen... no?


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I have a mild peanut allergy anyway, so I'm not missing anything.

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Last summer, my wife had a uterine cyst. According to the doctor it was about the same diameter as a coke can. They wanted to do a biopsy on it to see if she needed an operation, but couldn't get her scheduled for another month. She switched to a loosely based Paleo diet (no grains, no sugars, very low carb), and 30 days later, when she went in for her biopsy, the cyst was completely gone. Not to mention that she had shed quite a few pounds.

That told me everything I needed to know about Paleo/Primal eating. I switched to it soon after. Granted, we both fell off the wagon a bit because of the Holidays, but we will be switching back to it full time, very soon.

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I love stories like that. I firmly believe eating good food will have a ton of side benefits. Some big ones like the one you mention Caleria, and smaller things like thicker hair, stronger teeth, better skin.

Anyway here's a salad I made yesterday to go with a bit of chicken breast:

Baby romaine, baby spinach, raspberries, fresh mozarella, sunburst yellow grape tomatoes, pine nuts. Raspberry vinegrette dressing.

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And tonight I'm thinking of this as a side with my chop meat and eggplant diner:

Cinnamon Maple Butternut Squash. Yeah buddy.

It's got maple syrup in there but... 80/20 rule!

http://fastpaleo.com/cinnamon-maple-butternut-squash/

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Oh also, I'm down about 6 pounds in 10 days or so of trying to get a bit more serious about this. I'm trying to cut back down again after a big bulk phase. Hopefully I'm lean at 180-185 instead of 165-170. That would make me happy.

I recently kicked it up another notch in terms of eliminating all grains and stuff like heavily processed cheese. No more bacon egg and cheese on toast for breakfast. Now it's 3 eggs, spinach and peppers:

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So far so good.

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No bacon?

I couldn't do it.

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You can have bacon definitely, I just didnt have time.

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oh, ok. much better then.

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It occurs to me looking at the meals that Dash posts, the he eats like a King of Cavemen. :D

I'm pretty sure the average caveman ate a little less and less often. :p

Anyway, this is what my typical meals are looking like these days.

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That is some pot roast out of the slow cooker, and an assortment of veggies from Whole Foods salad bar. Some Garlic/Chili paste to dab stuff in (no salad dressing except a little EVO) and sprinkled with some black pepper and sea salt.

Tomorrows lunch will be the same, but instead of Roast Beef (this was the last of it), it'll be some Aztec Chicken on the plate with the veggies.

I'll have some of the Pumpkin Seeds for a snack later.

Since Thanksgiving, I've eaten pretty much this same type of thing (will vary the salad, and occasionally throw in a bit of cottage cheese or some beans for variety) twice a day. I usually skip breakfast, but sometimes will have some eggbeaters with salt and pepper and some kind of hot sauce.

It's not cheap eating this way, but it's definitely worth it. I'm down 30lbs since Thanksgiving.


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Props to your choice of coffee mug.

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Midgen wrote:
It occurs to me looking at the meals that Dash posts, the he eats like a King of Cavemen. :D


Cavemen ate entire mastodons for lunch. Fact!

But yeah I do like to eat :)


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It's not cheap eating this way, but it's definitely worth it. I'm down 30lbs since Thanksgiving.


Nice! I cant see your picture at work, will check at home. Glad to hear you're seeing success.

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Dash,

Thank you for posting this. Phe and I decided to try it a couple of weeks ago, and overnight we cut out all butter, processed sugar, and almost all carbs (aside from the occasional brown rice or whole red potato), and I haven't minded in the least (this coming from someone whose diet was, like, 90% pasta prior to this).

In that time, I've lost nearly 10lbs, am hitching my belt up a notch, and feel better with more energy and a better disposition.


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I'll toss an updated success report out too...

As of this morning I've lost 35 pounds and two pant sizes (44 waist to 40 waist) since Thanksgiving when I started eating (sorta) like a caveman...

Curious FarSky, how is Phe doing on it?


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She's doing well...she also says she's feeling better and more energetic, but she's not able to keep to it strictly. Her insane-o metabolism already has her technically "underweight" by a few pounds, and cutting out those empty calories that keep her there would be detrimental to her.

It's actually one of the reasons I waited so long to embark on a "diet" (I hate using that term in regards to this). One person in a married couple can't really be on a diet...not if it's to be successful, at any rate. Phe eats the healthy, unprocessed foods that she makes at dinner, and then supplements those calories with sweets and drinks (she runs on sugar, much like a hummingbird). She cooks delicious, healthy meals for dinner and makes enough for me to pack up a serving and take for lunch the next day, so I can stay on the diet while at work (with the added benefit of not having to waste money on restaurants).


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SOunds like a recipe for success! :)

I just buy bags of broccoli and spinach greens, and occasionally will supplement that with some goodies from whole foods salad bar just to add some variety. Fresh red onion, small amounts of things like grated carrots, peas, kidney or pinto beans, and rarely even some low fat cottage cheese.

I cook up some kind of meat dish that is enough to last a few days, and then split all of that into portions for lunches and dinners.

I generally don't eat breakfast at all (just a cup of coffee or tea with stevia or splenda). If I do eat breakfast, its usually two eggs scrambled with a little hot sauce.

I don't count calories, but if I had to estimate, I'd say I'm probably eating about 1200 to 1500 calories a day most days. A few more on some fridays when I go out to lunch with a co-worker.

My weight loss is not as much about calories, but the quality of the calories I do eat, and most importantly when I eat them.

I never consume any caffeine after lunchtime, and never eat anything after about 6-7pm (whenever I eat dinner). This gives my body plenty of time to burn some stored calories before my lunch meal the next day.

It sounds kind of extreme, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really feel much better. I sleep better, and I have a more consistent energy level throughout the day.

Edit: Oh, and lots and lots of water. Starting first thing in the AM, and tapering off in the evening (so I'm not up all night)... something on the order of 200-250oz of water a day.


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Dash,

Thank you for posting this. Phe and I decided to try it a couple of weeks ago, and overnight we cut out all butter, processed sugar, and almost all carbs (aside from the occasional brown rice or whole red potato), and I haven't minded in the least (this coming from someone whose diet was, like, 90% pasta prior to this).

In that time, I've lost nearly 10lbs, am hitching my belt up a notch, and feel better with more energy and a better disposition.


I love reading stuff like this, thanks Farsky and Phe.

I'm over a month in now and it's solidified my belief that the added sugars and heavily processed stuff make people overweight. I wouldnt go so far as to say grains are bad, it's an interesting topic but I'm not 100% sold. I would say that so many of the grains we eat are processed, refined and have sugar added. Pizza, bread, cereals, baked goods and the rest.

Carbs to me now are fruits and veggies. If I do have some whole grain bread, pizza or pasta it's fine now and then but I consider it a "cheat".

As for me I'm down 12 lbs and have about 10 more to go to hit my goal. Give or take. The energy thing is definitely true in my experience, and a friend here at work reports the same thing.

Speaking of this, for anyone interested:

Enjoy Saturated Fats, They’re Good for You!


It's a long piece but I find this stuff interesting

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Midgen wrote:
I'll toss an updated success report out too...

As of this morning I've lost 35 pounds and two pant sizes (44 waist to 40 waist) since Thanksgiving when I started eating (sorta) like a caveman...


Boom! Wow that's great Midgen. Whatever you're doing is working and losing inches around the waist is a great health indicator as far as I've read.

Also again for anyone interested there is a long thread on this here with a lot of people chiming in on tips, links, some recipes and advice:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506828

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Dash wrote:
[bowl pic with delicious-looking salad]

Given the grain-averseness of the diet, the fact that your salad's in a Wheaties bowl made me laugh. :D


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hah yeah I thought that was ironic too. I love that bowl though!

A good article, long but worth a read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magaz ... .html?_r=0

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I love my bread too much to go full paleo, but I love my salads and steak just as much. That salad with the pine nuts pictured above...I never thought to use the pine nuts that way...I always just used them for pesto. I think I need to start thinking outside of the box a little more often :D

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Down a pant size and another belt notch.


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