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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:24 am 
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3D-printed guns have been making the news a lot recently. That's not to say that they and their creators don't deserve the press — people arming themselves without so much as a permit is pretty terrifying. But whoever it was that said 3D printing was the only way for people to circumvent the law and arm themselves just might not have seen this bad boy.

This fully-automatic Gauss gun, dubbed the CG-42, has a 15-round capacity and can fire an entire clip of ammo in 1.5 seconds. What it fires is almost as frightening as the gun itself, because the CG-42 is armed with nails, side-stepping the need for even the slightest of paper trails.

A Gauss gun, also known as a coilgun, is a battery-operated, electromagnetic linear motor which pulls a projectile forward faster and faster until it exits the weapon's muzzle, no gunpowder required. The CG-42 has a muzzle velocity of 138 feet per second, which doesn't sound like a lot until you see it put a nail right through a laptop's casing. Gauss guns also get more powerful the longer you make them, so a Gauss "rifle" would be capable of much more destruction.

Thankfully there's a lot of technical know-how that goes into the construction of a Gauss gun. Much less thankfully, the creator of the CG-42 has posted not only the math behind his creation, but his construction methods online. We won't be posting that link here because we're worried that you'll hunt us down, but here's a video showing just the sort of destruction the CG-42 is capable of. The poor birthday cake never had a chance.





I'm thinking that the age of regulating man-portable weapons is coming to a close. Between things like this and 3D printed guns, how would you even TRY to control this stuff.

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It's open source. Links are at the OP article, or at Reason.com. If you have a workshop and some technical capability, you can build it yourself.

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I'm thinking that the age of regulating man-portable weapons is coming to a close. Between things like this and 3D printed guns, how would you even TRY to control this stuff.


Consider the "war on drugs" and re-evaluate your statement.


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DFK! wrote:
I'm thinking that the age of regulating man-portable weapons is coming to a close. Between things like this and 3D printed guns, how would you even TRY to control this stuff.


Consider the "war on drugs" and re-evaluate your statement.


Which part, how badly the "war" has failed?


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If you have a workshop and some technical capability, you can build it yourself.

No and no.

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I like the fact that going through a laptop casing is considered to be some sort of demonstration of destructive power. Paintguns can go over 300 FPS; that's just the normal permitted limit in play.

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Lenas wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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I'm thinking that the age of regulating man-portable weapons is coming to a close. Between things like this and 3D printed guns, how would you even TRY to control this stuff.


Consider the "war on drugs" and re-evaluate your statement.


Which part, how badly the "war" has failed?


I would argue it's easier to manufacture illegal drugs than these guns, and yet the government has maintained its policies of regulation thus far. I don't think they'll give up on weapons that quickly.


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Regulations on weapons are generally lighter than on drugs. Also, this thing is really just an electromagnetic nail gun. there's a big grey area between tool and weapon where effective regulation is nearly impossible.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
I would argue it's easier to manufacture illegal drugs than these guns, and yet the government has maintained its policies of regulation thus far.


I dunno. You wouldn't need to hide your workshop in the middle of a forest or run parts across borders in the case of this gun. Anyone with tools could make it, anywhere.


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I would argue it's easier to manufacture illegal drugs than these guns, and yet the government has maintained its policies of regulation thus far.


I dunno. You wouldn't need to hide your workshop in the middle of a forest or run parts across borders in the case of this gun. Anyone with tools could make it, anywhere.


Anyone with the right tools and an understanding of how to use them. If I can cock up laying track for a model railroad, a lot of people will cock up making this gun.

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It's also fairly easy to recognize a marijuana farm or a cocaine operation but you could walk into a workshop anywhere in the world and have no idea that something like this is being built.


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I like the fact that going through a laptop casing is considered to be some sort of demonstration of destructive power. Paintguns can go over 300 FPS; that's just the normal permitted limit in play.


Oh it definitely isn't high-power. But as a proof of concept/prototype? Good times.

The reason article that linked me to the OP article pointed out it's about the same FPS (if not a bit under) as an airgun.

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It's also fairly easy to recognize a marijuana farm or a cocaine operation but you could walk into a workshop anywhere in the world and have no idea that something like this is being built.


Not as easy as you might think. Ever seen the video from Copperhead Road? You can learn a thing or two from Charlie.

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DFK! wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
I like the fact that going through a laptop casing is considered to be some sort of demonstration of destructive power. Paintguns can go over 300 FPS; that's just the normal permitted limit in play.


Oh it definitely isn't high-power. But as a proof of concept/prototype? Good times.

The reason article that linked me to the OP article pointed out it's about the same FPS (if not a bit under) as an airgun.



But aren't they launching nails? Same FPS vs an airgun yes, but the total energy of the projectile is significantly larger.


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TheRiov wrote:
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I like the fact that going through a laptop casing is considered to be some sort of demonstration of destructive power. Paintguns can go over 300 FPS; that's just the normal permitted limit in play.


Oh it definitely isn't high-power. But as a proof of concept/prototype? Good times.

The reason article that linked me to the OP article pointed out it's about the same FPS (if not a bit under) as an airgun.



But aren't they launching nails? Same FPS vs an airgun yes, but the total energy of the projectile is significantly larger.


Yep, just normal, buy em at Home Depot nails.

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A nailgun also launches nails. This one just happens to use electromagnetics to do it.

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A nailgun also launches nails. This one just happens to use electromagnetics to do it.


A properly working nailgun doesn't "launch" a nail. It "drives" them.

They take a bit of jiggerypokery to actually "launch" a nail through the air.

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Don't know what nail guns you've used but the pneumatic nail guns I did, just required pressure on the front of the gun with the trigger pressed. (there was a small metal release that needed to be depressed to get the nail to fire--it could be taped down with duct tape.)

Of course, carrying around an air compressor is a bit impractical.


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Of course, carrying around an air compressor is a bit impractical.

This is kind of the point.

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A nailgun also launches nails. This one just happens to use electromagnetics to do it.


A properly working nailgun doesn't "launch" a nail. It "drives" them.

They take a bit of jiggerypokery to actually "launch" a nail through the air.


That's true, but it isn't that hard to make a nailgun launch the nail, and wouldn't be hard to make this thing drive them. Nails aren't really designed for ballistic stability so I find the complaining about them as ammo rather silly.

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Well, sorta.

The action is a totally different principle. ;)

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I'll have to look at this later and watch video

However, You don't have the enumerated right to keep and bare drugs, therefore the two aren't legally comparable.

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